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Webmaster online promotion chat with Joel Comm Part 3

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[James B] People...be CAREFUL about giving out your links....smart people here! remember... cut-copy-steal
[TJ Short] p3 on aussie site also
[esh] Well said
[Len] Tj what's your aussie site?
[James B] Deb...do you host yourself, or on a bloggin platform?
[TJ Short] aussiess.info
[Deborah] http://todaysblackissuesandconcerns.blogspot.com
[seowulf_cluster] james, in what sense? content scraping?
[Stefan Fahlberg] I have an article archive PR5, a Software Archive PR6 ... Link Exchange anyone (PR5+)
[James B] ahhh....blogspot!
[Deborah] Yes, James
[Deborah] For now I am @james
[Len] Thanks Tj
[seowulf_cluster] ah ok eb
[esh] i use link metro, and use to get about 100 quality links, and it's worth the $$$
[Deborah] oh no, what's wrong with blogspot?
[seowulf_cluster] s/eb/Deb
[seowulf_cluster] you need to set it up within their system
[TJ Short] I am trying to get them all themed but only one of me able to work on it with limited $$$

[seowulf_cluster] http://help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?answer=50288
[seowulf_cluster] that's for you Deb
[James B] Exactly what SEOWOLF said
[esh] but if you make quick buck, {try voodooblogger !}   

[esh] *if you wanna make
[James B] that was quick seo!
[seowulf_cluster] guys, anyone know the equivalent of this room on irc channels?
[seowulf_cluster] hah James, I'm a bit hyper myself   
[James B]   me too
[seowulf_cluster] i do wonder about something ethically though...
[seowulf_cluster] if I do something because I like to help people

[seowulf_cluster] but I also know deep down that helping people has it's rewards
[seowulf_cluster] is it genuinely altruisitic?
[Deborah] Should I delete the blog? is it that bad?   
[seowulf_cluster] oh no Deb, it's fin
[seowulf_cluster] e
[James B] hold on deb...still reading..
[seowulf_cluster] just go have a read of the link i gave above
[esh] yeah, but worth it if you are ready to shift hosting and use pseudo names and all that
[James B] Yes...altruistic...but....what is the motive seo?
[TJ Short] thats my motto to seo wulf thats why I setup tecacentre.net
[Deborah] ok, I'm somewhat frustrated...I have tried to work with the code but I am doing something terribly wrong.
[TJ Short] to help the world maybe get some peace
[James B] to help just help is genuine..to help and expect something down the road..is ....i dont know!

[Luke Fitzsimmons] hi ppl
[seowulf_cluster] ah, that's an important distinction James
[todd] The transcript link scrolled off my screen, can someone post it again please?
[Luke Fitzsimmons] i missed the chat with Joel
[James B] what link todd?
[seowulf_cluster] "expect" != "know there's a half-decent chance of..."
[Luke Fitzsimmons] thats what i was going to ask for Todd
[seowulf_cluster] http://jonathanleger.com/chat/joelcomm_trans.php
[Luke Fitzsimmons] thanks
[todd] that''s the one, thanks!
[Deano] esh - voodooblogger. I know this is something the guy from Blogging to the Bank uses. What results have you
had with it?
[TJ Short] I give away lots of stuff to strangers even this christmas everyone on my street got a present from me
since then I have had really good luck feng shui karma coming back to me

[James B] Good link site deb!
[Deano] TJ - Abundance has its own rewards. I believe in it too although to some it seems like mumbo jumbo   
[James B] Deb...keep at it...and follow sewolfs link there....you'll get it!
[seowulf_cluster] missed your motive q. yeah agree it's about the motive, always
[Deborah] ty James..I'm trying but I do believe I'm out of my league with this blog stuff   


[seowulf_cluster] no way, you're not Deb
[seowulf_cluster] it can be frustrating and painful but stick at it
[seowulf_cluster] you'll learn as you go along
[Deborah] ok
[Deborah] ty
[James B] NEVER give up!.....When I started in 94.. I spent many late nights at it....worked full time and raised
kids....took alot of work!
[esh] Deano : first i opened a new hosting account on a different server and only gave it a try with affiliate
products, to be honest they worked well, and my site was indexed within 2 weeks on google and made pretty nice bucks,
but latter after a month my site was deindexed. But the deal was worth. Finally it all boils down to this : are you
ready to deal $3000 for $200. I hope u sure do   

[Deborah] yes, time consuming.
[Deborah] Yes I am ready   
[seowulf_cluster] back to a previous question - any decent IRC chan/nets similiar to this I should look out for?
[James B] doubt it seo..this is why I come here to chats like this...much more fun...and...people can learn maybe 1
thing that will help them.\
[James B] (including myself)
[seowulf_cluster] yeah true
[seowulf_cluster] y'all from the states?
[seowulf_cluster] any europeans?
[TJ Short] http://slashdot.org/
[jonix konios] seowulf, yes
[James B] Indiana baby!
[Deano] Esh - I appreciate the numbers scenario you are talking about. So what you are basically saying is that this
bh angle gives a huge payoff quickly and then fizzles out... like a firework and it's a momentum game. I guess it's
an interesting way to gather money to invest in the longer lasting virtual assets.

[James B] uhhh, btw - off topic...Da Bears!
[seowulf_cluster] jonix, greek? Indiana... hmmm... I'm in Dublin, Ireland
[walter schick] I am a total newbie and I need my hand held. Who has the best program out there from start to finish
to get on the fast track?
[James B] oh boy
[seowulf_cluster] walter, personally I don't trust any of 'em
[James B] There is No 1 program that "does it all'
[jonix konios] seowulf, no, portuguese
[seowulf_cluster] they're telling you how good they are at selling stuff, and then they sell at you
[esh] Deano - Absolutely, it's about knowing the risks involved and playing the game well, knowing that you're going
have a bubble blast quite soon but with huge reward only if you sneak in annonymously and make profits for investing for future White Hat business.

[seowulf_cluster] it's like the guy who sells the book "how to become a millionaire" and he makes it
[walter schick] so what you're saying is that I will have to go to classes at night for my computer science degree for ten years??
[seowulf_cluster] esh: do you mess with google or stay away from em?
[seowulf_cluster] walter: hell no. just start reading stuff
[seowulf_cluster] you can teach yourself

[James B] Walter...I'm a high school drop out plumber!...If I can make a site and earn money with it....so CAN YOU!\
[seowulf_cluster] it's good to have a basic starting point
[seowulf_cluster] i'd recommend you go register a domain name, buy yourself some cheap hosting, and build a site from scratch
[esh] Occasionally i like to play them, but that cost me and mess about a some. But if im off for a deal, i win though google kicks me off.
[James B] Alll you need is on the web...just LOOK! (sometimes it is hard to find...and its easy to get sidetracked with all the 'get rich' hoopla!
[Deano] Esh - I know for some that doesn't sit well, but I'm on the same page as you here. Thanks for sharing ! It's a case of playing short term goals whilst also working on the long term.
[seowulf_cluster] walt: there are easier ways to do it but that will teach you a lot and be worth it long term


[seowulf_cluster] esh: yeah I'm concerned about delisting and getting adsense/adwords a/c's closed
[James B] Right seowulkf!
[esh] i use my own hosting and a seperate server for my google play   
[James B] Me too esh!
[Antrikkos] hey guys: Good night ... or good morning, good afternoon.. whatever!
[esh] seowulf - never mess it up with adsense/adwords unless you know how to have 2 or more accounts with them and you know how   
[TJ Short] here from you soon antrikkos
[James B] Later Antrikkos! Be Cool!


[Antrikkos] Hope next week!   
[Deano] James is right. I never learnt anything about making money from school or university. You don't need it. What
you do need is the right attitude, optimism, persistence and a will to succeed.
[Deano] School will never teach you that.

[James B] Waaayyyy rIGHT on Deano!
[seowulf_cluster] yeah esh
[esh] To gamble google with a short time play, never use adsense/adwords, just use some affiliate programs, like clickbank or CPA or whatever
[seowulf_cluster] i'm too much of a newbie to be messing with G as yet
[walter schick] i"m reading all kinds of stuff all the time and I heard of SBI, UMC,and many others but I also know that it costs money sometimes for education and I make money. Thats not the problem, I mean why do we go to college and pay if half, no I mean ninety-five percent of the sh**t I will never use anyway. On top of that I can't ask for a refund within 30 days!!!
[esh] i test CPA and make a killing   
[James B] SeoWulf....there is a GRAY area man!
[seowulf_cluster] walter: all the info you need to succeed is free
[seowulf_cluster] if you have to pay for it, that just means it's in a nicer package
[seowulf_cluster] James: I think I am
[James B] not blachhat...not whitehat....THAT is where the seet spot is at dude!
[James B] oopps...sweet
[seowulf_cluster] I believe in WH because it's the best long term
[Deano] Esh - What CPA networks are you using and having results with?
[esh] okay, i do not play black hat or grey hat : but only to test them how do they perform on scaling.
[TJ Short] go get a free dvd and book from http://learntoberich.com.au/ if you want to know the secret of making
money easily I checked it out and started already i am amazed
[James B] Yes...but pushing the limits is where the rules are being forged...and that sometimes is a good place to
be.


[seowulf_cluster] I think Google screw over the webmaster esp. re: AdSense - I think they're hypocritical
[esh] how many of you here bought Affiliate project x, only to find that it's not much in there
[James B] My hand is up!
[esh] i use azoogle
[seowulf_cluster] in that sense I don't mind going grey
[seowulf_cluster] TJ: did you just give a link to your site?
[seowulf_cluster]  
[James B] Didn't learn a dang thing from it
[TJ Short] g00gs seems to only give you 5 - 10 % of the clicks
[James B] Great lesson on what a great marketer does well...though!
[esh] So black hat those Gurus by playing the game yourself and proceed to your business only with the positive attitude and i do it all time
[seowulf_cluster] I love the way all the "get rich quick" sites have expensive cars on the front
[James B] hahahah...me too seowulf
[Deano] For people starting out I wouldnt recommend Project X. The method you would be interested in as a newbie is
covered by many others for free outside of the book.


[seowulf_cluster] with a fulltime job and webdev on the side I don't have time to invest in BH schemes
[esh] i think there much more in the site : www.andrechaperon.com than of Affiliate project x itself
[James B] Me to seowulf....but....keep pushing the limits they place on you!
[seowulf_cluster] ok, here's what I've spent cash on: seobook
[seowulf_cluster] and thinking about... Glyphius
[TJ Short] no seowulf thats for a link to dvd I got free
[walter schick] All I ask is y'all (Texas but not honky tonk) sound like you got this figured out so I'm just asking
for the right way 1,2,3,4 and not wast too much time. I don't think school was a waste of time because I got a good
job BUT I can't see myself doing this forever and I am facinated with this internet markreting
[esh] Seobook is great, but it's like a fire hose
[James B] Stop! Stop thinking Internet Marketing and THINK BUSINESS!
[seowulf_cluster] not waste time... forget it
[seowulf_cluster] you need to invest time in learning
[James B] no you seo...sorry...I interrupted.
[seowulf_cluster] you need to experiment, and make in-expensive mistakes
[seowulf_cluster] before you make the expensive ones   
[seowulf_cluster] esh: it's decent enough
[James B] walt...think this way: Go about it like starting a business....not a get rich scheme!
[esh] If you wanna really profit, try building it like a business like russel brunson

[seowulf_cluster] i'm the guy who asked Aaron for a negative review cos I couldn't find one, and didn't trust his product because of that
[esh] i really like the way he's doing up there
[Deano] Walter - Some people love their jobs and that's great, but for me it has and always will stand for 'Just Over
Broke' . Sorry I know it may sound cliche but exchanging time for money at that level always made no sense to me .
[walter schick] thanks tj, I will check it out.
[James B] walt...I've been doing this for going on 13 years now...I've only in the last 4 years have really started
doing well......I had to get out of the "IM" and "Get Rich" mentality...then things took off.


[James B] IM----Internet Marketing
[walter schick] thnks James
[esh] But if you are really starting out, get a good site built from a developer, with good contents, monetize it
with adsense and use a cheap or free marketing, and then proceed to excell yourself well in one area you like and
just outsource if you wanna scale it up.

[TJ Short] Ive been trying since 1998 still havent cracked it yet

same thing about treating it like a business, James.
[Deano] Esh - I'd say it is also handy to at least learn 'some' HTML and get used to a basic sitebuilder. I think
people should, at least at first, get their hands dirty. Then once they are used to it or want something above their
technical knowledge, outsource it.
[Deano] Walter - It is a business. Don't 'think' it is a business. It is one.

[James B] Takes time TJ and effort...alot of it.......walt: Stop looking for "it' from a "guru". They are only a
resource to tap(if needed)

[walter schick] Ok James, GEEZ maybe I should call you papa-bear..lol.
[esh] Deano - I agree, i also like to add that instead of learning full html, just try to understand how they work as
a whole and you can further up building site from a swipe files or something like that.
[James B] Don't forget people...we are STILL in the wild wild west...schools are only just know starting to put this
in their curriculuum...(I know...my spelling sucks...I need my wordperfect here! lol)

[Deano] Gurus - Ignore the ones you keep getting email promotions off CONSTANTLY. They are just spamming their lists
to get the easy income from their list asset ( i.e. you ). For my liking even someone like Joel Comm sends out far
too many email promotions but he balances it with some useful advice so you don't unsubscribe.
[James B] Great IDea for walt esh!
[esh] or just try building one like : www.coolest-kid-birthday-parties.com or www.coolest-birthday-cakes.com or
www.coolest-homemadecostumes.com
[James B] Right on Deano!
[esh] they are doing well now, i spoke to them, they are making a killing from adsense now.
[TJ Short] Sorry james I cant afford a guru I look everywhere at all sorts of tips tricks info but am now seeming to
start seeing the effects

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